I didn't start 25 years ago with a global ministry. I know there is a BIBLICAL way of calling someone out for false teaching, and anonymously posting on a site behind their backs is NOT IT. Please tell how the conversation went. You can talk very big about what you WILL do, but what Im talking about is what you HAVE and HAVE NOT done. Hebrews 12:27 says: Only those things that can be shaken will be shaken so that those things that cannot be shaken shall remain. Were about to go back out into the real world again and what is the only thing that wasnt shaken? This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. I have heard her speak twice now (both at womens conferences, and its my understanding that the Bible calls for women to teach other women), and have not heard her say anything unBiblical. The issue is whether we believe God is who he says he is. Christine Caine is a member-leader in a doctrinally heretical word-faith church. I began really working through issues God was bringing to light. The smile on Christine Caine's face is as striking as the shock she felt when she uncovered the secret her parents kept from her. You are way off base here and this is a pretty ridiculous article. Do you know me to say such a thing? 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Continue reading. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. It amazes me all her supporters can only base their drive-by comments on dont judge, presupposing what God does while ignoring His written word, or the Love syndrome, we all need love, we must love, God is only about love, Jesus is only about love, youre not loving if youre judging. The apostle Paul says that willingness to engage this kind of controversy is a qualification for office: He must hold fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, that he may be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict (Titus 1:9). 287610) and as a company limited by guarantee (no. What does the Church need to do from here? 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Believers, on the other hand, must continue abiding in the doctrine of Christ to have fellowship with the Father and the Son. So that is why Im not all up in what other people are saying about the Bible all the time. We all ask for the spirit of discernment & as we grow in spirit, will soon know who is who or the Holy Spirit reveals it to us without you being judgemental to a fellow human being. So Ive got to do exactly what Im telling anyone else to do. Im pretty confident that both of these women were richly blessed. Oh, so you have had a chance to talk with them one on one in the spirit of Matthew 18? While I have a lot of Biblical knowledge (Ive been a Christian and serious student of the word for nearly 15 years), I was very convicted in how it had been a few years since I had won anyone to Christ. 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. The baskets kept filling up no matter how much food they distributed. Get more articles like this delivered straight to your inbox! Create Yours. But perhaps Christine Caines best known and most worrisome bond is with false (Word of Faith) teacher Joyce Meyer. All of these women who do speaking engagements unashamedly and unrepentantly preach to co-ed . The pain of recovery is great. ), and it is my prayer they will be baptized this Easter. Are you kidding? People are NOT heretics and false teacher because they preach something we do not gree with. And to whom am I calling anything behind their back? Good night read your Bible berean and how about not twisting it when you do so. Im helping girls in the A21 transition homes who have been brutally abused and raped and are so shame-filled, helping them find their identity in Christ and stand on their own two feet, she told Hope 103.2, [but] Ive seen some of those same shame struggles in some of the most successful women, that battle with the shame of trying to balance life, thinking Im at the office too much and Im not the mother or wife I could be or girls that are in their mid 30s or 40s and are single and struggling with shame over that. Their end will correspond to their actions., How is what you are doing here promoting the gospel of truth? Not tell EVERYBODY ELSE but them. To believe a womans place is smaller than a mans is at best silly and at worst disingenuous to what God offers. This silly arguement is what pro-female pastors (Christine Caine, Joyce Meyer, etc.) Why cant you say hey, its great you are working on your evangelismhere are some better resources I recommend because of ___? One of the scriptures cited here had absolutely no relation to anything i have ever heard Christine say, write or even imply I am referring to your quote of Rev 2:10 How is Christine having a Jezebel manipulation attitude? I am not at that point where I would feel confident before Him doing the same, so I only ask that you understand. Listen in as Christine Caine opens up about her past and how God can use you no matter what's been done to you or what you've done to others. Those who refuse to respond to biblical correction are proving themselves to be devoid of the Spirit and taking orders from another master (Jude 1:19). Or, as SBTS President Dr Al Mohler put it, a prosperity movement for millennialsthat minimizes the Gospel content and diffuses a presentation of spirituality instead. . I never said those ministries were okay. 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them. I ask these questions in curiosity as Im truly baffled by the material I find here and all in the name of the same Christ that I follow.. Match up all of these so-called pastors words with every word Jesus spoke in the gospels. Ive found shame to be a dark, dark thing that impacts everyone from the highest social strata in life, to the most vulnerable and disenfranchised. Talk about losing sight of what REALLY matters.. Pastored by @ericbgeiger. Published on 06 December 2016. Michelle, if the Christ you follow is the Christ that Christine Caine espouses, then its not the Christ of the Bible. Just like peter you dont know what spirit you are speaking from. Priscilla and Aquila came alongside Apollos and explained to him the way of God more accurately (Acts 18:26). 2:24-25). God will be our judge! For four months following the surgery, every minute of every day was excruciatingly painful. Together with her husband, Nick, they founded Equip & Empower Ministries, A21, Propel Women, and Zoe Churches. She is an ordained pastor and functions in that capacity. Over the years I've had to fight to renew my mind to a place where I understand at the core of my being that Jesus is trustworthy. You walked in the shame of it, and you buried it. In no way was I attacking anyone, if it came across like that, then I apologize, that was not the intent. Then youre not what youre commanded to do, to discern truth from error, the WORD OF GOD divides to the marrow, Paul said the Terrans were a noble people, because they cared to compared what he taught against scripture. My immediate family were great, it was just that they allowed people into our home, that they should have been able to trust, that were untrustworthy. And I wont get into the Catholic church and its covering up of abuse, or twisting of scripture to idolize the Pope and Mary. But battles never come at convenient times, do they? These are the very people that turn people away from God with all their judging and misinterpretation of the bible. The way the currents have shifted in society, no matter who you are whether you have a blue check mark [on your social media] like me, or whether youve got five followers is irrelevant. They are never mentioned apart. In both texts, Paul hands someone over to Satan. This is so dumb. I ask these questions in curiosity as Im truly baffled by the material I find here and all in the name of the same Christ that I follow. Elizabeth Prata of The End Times lays out six reasons why Caine must be avoided like the plague. When I really got established in the Word at Hillsong Church, it was awesome, but it has cost me everything. Shun them, having nothing to do with them. Jakes accept an invite to speak in a room with some reformed guys in 2012 to discuss his belief in the oneness dcotrine of the church to which he categorically spoke of his background in that momvement and how since then he has moved away from that doctrine toa trinitarian doctrine, he was asked every question of the beliefs of the Chrsitain faith and affirmed them all. The masses you speak about want nothing to do with that, they want to have their ears tickled by false teaching. Subscribe to TCW's free email newsletter at this link for weekly updates and chances to win free books and music downloads. Youre sitting behind a keyboard, hiding behind the well others did the confronting for me argument, which just isnt in scripture. Relational challenges, staff challenges, the whole world shifting and it was like: Chris, do you want to keep your foot on the gas? I could cruise Ive got so much momentum from 30-odd years of serving Jesus. We won't be quick to criticise or condemn. The key issue is how we respond to correction. That has more impact than sitting online calling people heretics. Im sure they used scriptures to defend themselveswhich ones did they use? We cannot throw the baby out with the bath water, the fish out with the bones. I think Im living proof that you can start bad and finish good. Think of it as Christ did when he fed the five thousand. I spend most of my time focusing on my OWN Bible study through prayer and time in the Word, as it is important for me to grasp a solid understanding of His word for myself (with the backing of the Holy Spirit) BEFORE I start delving into what other people have to say about the Bible, commentaries, and like. You seem to have a very very real gripe with Ms Caine that I encourage you to take to her in person. Where does it say its ok to have others do the confronting for you? springs without water, and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved (2 Pet. It cost me everything to go forward with Jesus. Your words are so wise Alison Jones: I am a Christian living in South Wales, UK, and ha Annie G.: It is not wrong to consecrate a day for the Lord, Greg: I agree. Yes, I do know you to say such a thing. No matter what is said or written, it should all be tested and proven with the scripturesnot accepted blindly. I could not have said it better. Second of all, I came to realize that coming on sites like this and calling people names, publicly questioning if they even know the LordWHEN I HAVE NEVER MET THEMis NOT in the spirit of Matthew 18. The Lord had to show me, through his word, that by marrying Nick we would have a ten-fold impact. - Christine Caine. 02816074) and Christian Communication Partnership Ltd (no. I sadly find some of this ridiculous. When learning we have a responsibility to also study and pray with diligence and seek Gods will not blindly follow the teachings of any man or woman. The Holy Spirit is in all of us and Big enough to show you truth. In 2007, Nick and I felt God was leading us to get involved with rescuing victims of human trafficking. The priest was the one who read the Biblenot the congregation. I respect your passion for exposing othersI have a similar passion around making sure people know the Bible for themselves so they can be appropriately discerning and have a solid foundation rooted in THEIR OWN knowledge (and not what someone else says or teaches), as I believe faith grows by hearing the word YOURSELF. God, not us, instituted the hierarchy in His church. Thats not in scripture. That is the CLEAR difference. I did grow to understand the writing style of scripture and understand why Lydia, Priscilla, and other women of the Bible were called out in specific order. Wow. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.. Wow. I think this is a site for pharisees. And the whole -you are tearing down His Kingdom bit just love till it hurts ,just love , love, love,anything and everything cuz its all about love is pure and utter b.s. I went through such a personal journey the last two years where I discovered new areas God wanted to heal in me. With a heart to share Christ and love people, Joyces messages help people in all walks of life to grow in their faith, learn to study the Bible, find healing from the wounds of life, get answers to lifes questions and encounter the love of God in a powerful way. A religious liberty newsletter that is a must-read for people of faith. Chris Rosebrough Reviews Christine Caine at Passion 2015 Conference. "There is something about walking through the valley of the shadow of death with Jesus: You come out knowing Jesus," says Caine. Believers are to have nothing to do with anyone who claims authority as a teacher but who is not sound concerning the doctrine of Christ. My birth certificate doesnt have a name on it. She loves to read, swim in the sea, play netball and lift weights with her dad. Perry teaches mostly among Reformed circles and does not subscribe to Word of Faith doctrine, according to a recent Twitter post. Paul commands Titus and the believers in Crete to distance themselves from false teachers, As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him (Titus 3:10). As I stated before, in the end, we will all be held accountable for our words, and if you feel great that the Lord will congratulate you on your posts, then AMEN! Additionally, Christine has close relationships with Beth Moore and Priscilla Shirer, frequently sharing the stage or partnering with both. If a quarrelsome person is left to himself he will soon have nobody with which to quarrel. Light works most effectively in darkness. I have not met Ms Caine in person to have a conversation with her, so I will not breach scripture and start publicly questioning her faith or berating her ministry without giving her a chance to answer any questions and concerns I may have. is one of many scriptures that come to mind, I love that you are always willing to name names, as we are required to do in Romans 16:17. Get them into the boat. Your significance and security is not going to come from a ministry, church, career, salary, title. The reason is obvious. Is it the written word of God, or are you caught up in tradition and religion. In (Luke 11:35) (skopeo) is translated take heed.. Follow Christine on Twitter @ChristineCaine. what does cardiac silhouette is unremarkable mean / fresh sage cologne slopes of southern italy / why did curtis jones resign from bayou city fellowship Luke 19:39-40 3 9Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, Teacher, rebuke your disciples! 40I tell you, he replied, if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.. (Marin) Im pretty confident that both of these women were richly blessed.. "Chris, you have cancer." Not quite the words I was expecting to hear when I landed in Sydney, Australia, for our annual Hillsong conference on June 27 this year. For a good laugh I guess. I believe he is coming back. Though they may not be spot on in everything, they are still teaching the gospel and people are coming to Christ. Catholicism (RCC) Youre going to be OK. How Did I Get Here? New Age Dinsdale Young thinks that Priscilla may have been a believer before her husband, and that she won him for the Lord by her chaste conversation, or that perhaps hers was a primacy of character and service, or a more conspicuous intellectual ability, or that she may have been of nobler birth and social quality than Aquila. Her vision is to help people overcome the obstacles, hurdles and challenges of life and maximize their God-given potential and purpose. Privacy Rather than writing about her on message boards, I encourage you to follow Matthew 18 and attempt to reach her directly (her website, her social media accounts, her ministry, her appearancesincluding one in Chicago this week). This episode will help you overcome feeling disqualified because of your past so you can walk in freedom as you fulfill the purpose God has for your life. I have Matthew 18 to back me up. Has the author of this article ever listened to Christine Caine? Presumptuous, ridiculous and like a Christine Caine sermon unbiblical. Numerous private jets. Are you intimidated by the words, testimony, presence of a powerful woman of God? But we are supposed to believe be brave enough to call it to their faces? He takes the trials and tests and turns them into a testimony.', and 'Nothing about my birth - or yours - was random or accidental. All rights reserved. Lets focus on the Love of Jesus and love love lovebe Jesus out thereChristine Cain, Joyce and all those you judge..they love the Lordperhaps u should look inward friend. Christine Caineusurps male authority and rebels against the clear word of the Bible So thats why I made this book not about abuse, but about people at all levels of society who have struggled with different forms of shame. I imagine you would get a lot more done for the kingdom of you stopped pointing the finger at people and just started loving till it hurts. You call Paul as your back up? While Caine and others have been proven by some, to someones level of satisfaction, to be wolves, ( I personally dont care, and the reasons wil be explained below ) I find the idea you have put God in a box to be the hardest partt to swallow. We must refute and point to the truth! You know for someone who looks down on judging, you sure do a lot of it. As Priscilla is always paired with her husband, Aquila, it is difficult to separate her and place her on a pedestal of her own. Ive had non-Christians call out amazing observations about my character (both good and bad) and speak unbelievable truth into my life.I even grew to fall in love with the scripture through being challenged about the path to salvation by a cult member! God uses all of us, however he sees fit. We need to be careful not to underestimate how important our response to correction is. Does the author of this article have the power of discerning a persons heart? So we can correct any mistakes before permanent post? My life was as far away from God at that point as you could imagine [but] I went into this seminar, and this dude speaks the gospel in a way that was just so profound to me. Isnt there a harlot in the lineage of Christ? We're now able to provide a place through the A21 Campaign, an international antihuman trafficking organization with the goal of abolishing slavery in the 21st century, for those who feel like they have no purpose and that nobody loves them. If you cant see how presumptuous that is, well Youre assuming without knowing me, how do you know i would throw anyone in hell? Ill be sure to steer clear. Where do we see excommunication coming into play for false teachers? janv. Also, I was the victim of sexual abuse for many years. Why do you cite verses out of context and with no relevance to cause fear and that let see through such envy and bitterness? The key word: DIRECTLY. I really hope no one reads this and takes it seriously. CHRISTINE CAINE is a dynamic and passionate visionary whose powerful testimony of restoration impacts thousands of lives around the world each year. Harmoniously, they labored together in the service of the church. (Here and Here) Piper, who holds to a complementarian view, has received a lot of heat for sharing teaching duties with a woman who claims false teacherJoyce Meyer as her mentor. 6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. And so began the journey. Dont sit back and have others do the work for you. Meyer teaches word of Faith heresies that are available for anyone to read. I would say the fawning over Christine Caine and other false teachers is more akin to being cult like. Somehow I doubt theres much of that going on. Hagins principal disciple was Kenneth Copeland who, with his wife, Gloria, is the unofficial leader of the Word of Faith movement. . Discernment When we share our story through the lens of God's work in our lives, our experience becomes a testimony to who He is. Christine Caine shares how she found out that she was adopted.Get Today's Offer From Joyce: https://joycemeyer.org/store - - - - - - - Follow Joyce . Christine Caine: Fix Your Eyes on Jesus For the New Year, Christine Caine shares a word of encouragement to help you grow in your faith. Referencing Hebrews 6 she tells me, It doesnt matter if youre a global evangelist or somebody that nobody knows. Caine reportedly copied entire portions of Scott's book, forcing Scott to take legal action to settle the issue. When we as Christians criticize each other we in public settings we become a stumbling block for the lost and a weapon of the enemy.. During the many moments that she sat in waiting rooms, Caine also questioned why some people had it worse than her and why waiting rooms are not seen as ministry opportunities by many. Grace be with thee. I do not talk about ministries I have not had any sort of direct contact with. http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/false-prophets-and-teachers/, Wow all I have to say is thank God he will be judging me & not you people All I see you doing here is turning people away from God spewing such hate, who are you to judge? If your soul has been wounded before you come to Christ, it will likely still be wounded immediately after. Why Cant Us Men Tell Each Other How We Feel. It has caused him to wrestle with weighty issues around money, mission and multiculturalism, The writer of some of the world's most popular worship songs releases his 14th album today. ~ Christine Caine. I wrote the last chapters during the first three months of lockdown. 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